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Dark Age Of Camelot => DAOC General => Topic started by: Saxif on January 09, 2010, 05:24:18 pm
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Just thought I'd start this thread to talk about getting to 50th lvl. Generally this thread is designed to work out how much time we all have and if we all want to make our way to 50th lvl, the thread is inspired by the fact that NFD seem keen for us to hit 50th lvl and join in the 'grown up' RvR. I am somewhat keen to push forwards, partially cos I want to be a part of the guild and because they seem keen to include us and because I like to see my toons develop.
I do have time constraints and think I could prolly manage no more than 3 full evenings a week gaming, I am about 14% away from 40th lvl and the game tells me I get a free lvl as soon as I lvl. So when I start out I'll be 41st lvl. Do we want to move to 50th lvl together, seperately at our own pace or roughly together (as and when ppl are on but do the first few sessions grped up)?
I have also (with Cerns help last night) dinged my Ranger to 39th lvl and gimped him (most likely) with a melee spec and gear :) So if Brigh you wanna stick with Molvik I think Cern and I will have toons at that lvl as I think Cern is keen to push some of his toons forwards.
I'd like to do the lvls between 41st and 50th grped but then I am little gimpy (compared to my Ranger or especially Cerns Animist) when soloing, I do however realise that Cern will be slowed down quite a bit if he lvls at my/our speed!
So what do you both reckon?
Sax.
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I will definitely move my Hero on to 50. He's the sort of toon that only thrives in a balanced group situation and whilst I've been lucky enough to have had several good groups in Molvik, generally its a poor experience solo or small teams without any speed. So will be good to get to 50 and run with the guild. I dont mind trying to keep roughly in step with you both so we can try and level together. Main problem is I tend to get on post 9pm usually and now the holidays are over I won't be able to log on afternoons so much like I have been. Let's play it by ear and see what we can arrange.
The Animist I will push to 50 too in due course but mostly for farming purposes. I've not enjoyed RvR as much as I'd hoped with Animist, doesn't suit the way I like to play casters. I much prefer the more direct approach, so will bring an Eldritch up for Molvik.
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I think I am going to get annoyed with the Ranger, I want to call it a gimped class but it's prolly the way I play it. I also don't know if I have the patience for the hunter killer solo play style, might be a wasted investment! I'll have to duel you both and see how I do to get a feel for how good I am in melee compared to a melee class, then can duel again with you starting at bow range and see if I can kill you in the most favourable circumstances!
Sax.
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Stealth classes are tough to play. They normally need a buffbot to be viable (though ranger stands a better chance than most thanks to having some self buffs). Melee ranger spec will definitely gimp you in most RvR situations. Try full bow and decent stealth and see how you get on, should play out rather differently. But you will still have to carefully pick your targets and mostly rely on feeding off the periphery of fights. An archer in the thick of it is toast.
Stealth has always been a bit of a game within a game and nothing has changed. It can be very frustrating at times, which is why I've kept largely clear of the stealth war since rejoining.
If you want a ranged dps toon, make a caster. They level fast, they aren't gear reliant (though a good template helps of course) and aren't gimped if they don't have a buffbot.
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When I say I have a melee spec, I still have full bow (39 points invested), just low stealth. I chose this spec so I could run with grps instead of poncing about on my own. The problem is a bow takes so long to fire I always come out second best in competition with a caster so I have to get into melee range where I can cause continous interupts, then I use my 'Speed of the Forest' buff if it is ready to stay on top of them at all times. I don't really feel I deal alot of dps with a bow or my sword though compared with most classes. I feel the Ranger is a poor ranged nuker and poor melee as well, jack of all trades but master of none, which is why you have stated in the past that Rangers (Hunters/Scouts) do well when teamed up but badly solo.
By the way I should be about Monday, Tuesday and Thursday evening this week. If we are gonna go post 39th we should prolly get together and lvl as much as possible inside the BG first :)
Sax.
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I'm fine taking my vamp to level 50 - like Sax I have a free level as soon as I want to leave molvik.
Don't mind if we do it as a group or solo as I can easily grind task dungeons with my vamp with little or no downtime.
I can normally be on in the evening but its probably going to be about 8pm/9pm before I get chance to log on.
FYI - I've been busy these last few days that is why I've not been on much but hopefully that should be sorted soon.
Brigh :D
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The trouble with all stealthers is that people don't group em in regular groups. Partly because people percieve them as solo toons and partly because a lot of stealthers don't help their own cause when grouped and seem to disappear a lot and not stick up when the group moves off. So as a stealther you're largely stuck playing the solo stealth sub game, which is very competitive with most players using buffbots, pots and twinked gear to give them the edge.
Archer bow dps does seem rather lame. I don't think I've ever been killed by a solo archer from full health, I can usually run out of range before they kill me (this includes playing clothies). Which is why archers tend to hunt in packs or hang around the periphery of a fight picking off the wounded.
I think low stealth doesn't make much sense, it's your primary tool for getting the jump on your opponent and escaping after you sprint away. But with low stealth movement speed is painfully slow and assassins will see you a mile off.
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Yeah, I hope to be able to outfight assasins soon :)
Though if an assasin gets the drop on me the opening 400-500 points of damage means they r always gonna win out.
Wanna play Molvik tomorrow and take the 'xp off' option off? lvl out of Molvik and then goto Corus or somewhere after and maybe do the same again Tuesday?
Sax.
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Wanna play Molvik tomorrow and take the 'xp off' option off? lvl out of Molvik and then goto Corus or somewhere after and maybe do the same again Tuesday?
Should be able to log on tonight, if not make a start on leveling without me - the hours that I log on for the next couple of weeks will be a bit erratic so make a start.
It maybe worth posting here after each leveling session what level you reach as I might find myself with some spare time in the day and if I know you are both level 42 or something I could easily do some task dungeons and catch up.
Brigh :D
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Had great fun last night, enjoyed both the CK defense and the roaming.
I capped out of Molvik last night so all set to do some leveling, I'm undecided if I'm going to respec - any idea how much repsec stones are going for?
Brigh :D
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Don't forget you can get two free respec stones from the Royal Accountant in TNN (where the entrance to the throne room is). If you've already spent these, then look for Luminescent Exerpise Stone on the merchants. Used to be around 1p each but maybe more now that they made the dragons harder to stop the farmers.
If you plan to return to the same sort of spec you currently have at 50 I wouldn't bother respec'ing twice for 10 levels of PVE. The levels will fly by easy enough and I doubt your spec will make a huge difference as all the three vamp spec lines dish decent dps don't they? Besides, we got Sax to do the uber dps don't we? ;)
EDIT: just checked and the Exerpise stones are 140g on merchants, so looks like there's still a glut.
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If respec stones are only 140g, might be worth stock piling for future use or future cash making!
Sax.
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They might go lower though. Not sure how farmable they are anymore. Mythic seem to have chased off the Chinese farmers with recent changes, but not sure what this means for the game economy. Probably worth buying one or two for putting in the vault, but wouldn't think it's a good investment for making gold.
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Not a bad session last night (apart from that BD spoiling things), need to find some higher level mobs which we can chain kill 1 by 1.
I will be on for a little while tonight but want to watch slumdog millionaire on TV so will have to log by 9pm.
Should be on tomorrow though, depending what time Avatar finishes at the cinema (what an amazing film - you best go see it cern :P )
Brigh :D
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Hey Guys,
I will be online on Wednesday and prolly alot at the weekend, I might be able to make Tuesday or Thursday depending on if your both gonna be about.
Sax.
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I should be able to log on most evenings after about 8.30/9pm. If Im not on and you don't fancy the bashing things route to xps, do the quests in the Underground Forest. There's quite a few, especially if you do the follow ups. Most are within the forest itself, a few take you to adjacent zones. They can all be solo'd easily. They involve a bit of running about (so grab Hastener speed) but it's well worth it. There's over a level of xps if you do all of them and it'll take much less time than grinding that level. When we hit 47-48 there's some repeatable quests in Innis and Shrouded Isles we can do for big chunks of xps too. The main one is "Lost Seeds" and it rewards some very nice jewelry items. There's also a few ToA quests that reward nice items and decent xps, will try and look them up.
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Sounds pretty cool. I found a very simple quest in Innis that I think is lvl 45, it involves killing a yellow mob, going back to Innis then going to Sheeroe and Tailtu, you get about 8% xp from it. I was also bashing some spectral mobs in the frontiers that drop xp items, each items nets about 220million xp, I got maybe 5 items in 30 mins and the mobs themselves give great xp, they are yllw/oj to 45th.
Sax.
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Sounds good, might go to Innis and have a look around.
Talking about XP items you can check this site out http://roclar.net/DAoC/XPDrops.php - its great for finding kill tasks
Brigh :D
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Might not be on for a couple of nights but I should be alright as I plan to use my last free level at level 47 as I believe from Cern you can't use it any later than that. It would also mean I'm rested so should help with the grind from 48 to 50.
I've managed to get my Skald to 39 btw if anyone has any Molvik char on Mid and also got a Wizard to 24 so I can join the Alb Zerg in Thid!
Brigh :D
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I didn't know that about the free lvl. I think I get my next one tomorrow night, so I'll be in the 47th zone then, so hopefully no probs there!
I have a 24th lvl Thane on Midgard, will prolly get Djem to 50th and geared before I look at doing anything on another realm, but I could defo push him to 39th in due course :) Though I think I wanna try a Shaman now, those aoe dots really draw me in!
I am still gonna be on tonight, prolly from 7 or 8ish.
Cern I have a present for you btw. I killed Furor in the Frontiers the other day and got the appropriate potion, will get him stuffed and mounted and you can display him in your house :)
Sax.
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Nice one, my house is a bit devoid of decoration, though a floor standing skeleton might make the place look like a biology lab :)
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Brigh we had a look at the Sheeroe quests last ngiht and although it takes about 1 and a 1/4 hours of running around you get about 60% of lvl 49 xp from it. They are well worth doing and will finish with some items rewards after going to sheeroe. You need to kill some mobs that are basicaly directly north of the exit from Drum Ligen, there are 4 but you can pull them solo and Cern made very short work of the one we pulled.
Good luck,
Sax.
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Also look out for the Cleansing The Light quest from Master Lucyn in Ardee. Takes you to Bog of Cullen to kill 10 wisps which are blue to level 49. They are located in NE corner of Bog of Cullen, so a bit of travel involved, but the quest gives a bub of xps at 49 and is *repeatable*. If you set your hearth to either ardee or innis would speed things up.
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Cheers Guys, will have a look at them today, not on tonight but will try and get some quests done before I go out.
Brigh :D
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Right did those quests in innis, there is repeatable quest called stealing suppliers which gives you 1.2 bubs and 100+ gold a time - takes about 10 mins a run and I did it 5 times and didn't kill a thing! had to run away a couple of times as the mobs were hostile to me.
I've made level 50 and activated my champ levels but that is it.
Brigh :D
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Got to CL2 last night just doing the repeatable supply quest in SH - takes about 10-15 minutes a run and gives 2400 CL xp and 135 gold a turn-in
I've found no other easy solo way to get money and CL at the same time - it does get a bit boring after a while but guess it serves 2 purposes (getting the CL5 weapon and improving my bank balance)
What is the plan next as I feel like I want to do something, from what I believe is that you can buy ML levels with Bounty Points which can be gotton from RvR or brought from other people?
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Yep ML credits can be bought with bounty points. Same goes for artifact credits I believe (though these still need to be levelled in PVE/RvR). CL xps can also be gained in RvR. So we just need to get out there. Which means just getting geared up to a point where we're competitive. Doesn't have to be a top template, just primary stats for your class capped, +hits boosted as much as possible and resists to a decent level (20%+ if capping isn't possible yet). Things like +casting/melee speed and cap increases are things to worry about later.
I'm thinking that with a combination of drops bought from housing, dragonsworn armour from sheeroe and crafted/SC'd gear to fill in the gaps should get us there. MY plan is to try and combine 1 or 2 "labyrinth" items with 1 or 2 dragonsworn items froms scales and then SC 1 or 2 other pieces to fill in any gaps.
Look out for things like "granite bracer", "golden bracer", anything "of the zephyr", anything "of thunder", "cyclone", "dealrach", "darkspire" or "labyrinth" going cheap as they are usually nice items for building templates around.
Id like to get Sheeroe sorted out in the next few days. Finish those quests (assuming we even need to do them in order to be eligible for dragonsworn gear, things got changed last patch and faction beyond neutral may no longer be necessary ... we need to check, someone in guild or advice channel should know).
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I'm glad someone knows the answers :)
I think one of those SH quests gives something like 600+g as a reward and all 3 of them give 2400+ CL xp so that is about 3 bubs
Lets go kill some Albs/Mids (or find someone to sell us some BP's lol)
Brigh :D
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I have done a little RvR and a good template will get you no-where without a good group, it gets pretty zergy at busy times. Did a keep take and if you have keys keeps 'drop' Atlantean Glass and other stuff.
I am not on tonight, prolly not on tomorrow but I should be on Thursday (but I know Brigh isn't), then I am away from Friday till Saturday snowboarding :)
This obviously means that the next time we are all on is going to be nearly 2 weeks :( You guys should go ahead and do those quests if you get bored though, maybe I can badger one of you to run through them with me also afterwards :)
Sax.
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Yep, get hit by the zerg or an assist train and the best template in the world won't make a scrap of difference. But I'm guessing the plan is for us to be able to run with the guild as much as possible, so having a decent template (I stress decent, rather than uber) helps with not being rezz fodder.
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Might make a start looking on in the housing zone tonight then and see if I can build something using those SI quest rewards and the weapon we got - hopefully if we rvr some we should get some BP's to purchase ML's etc and also CL5 for the weapon
Brigh :D
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Mine is pseudo done. I have several awesome bits of gear and about 5 or 6 that although they completement each other could do with replacing, for example I have some +STR gear still, that defo needs to go. However all my resists ave at about 23% now and I have big bonus's on my stats and my caps have been increased quite alot but I need some serious stat items to actually reach my improved caps now! (hint don't go mad on improving caps if you can't reach those caps ;p)
Does anyone know what +hits cap out at without raising the cap?
Sax.
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At level 50 you can have +200 hits from items. You can extend this by a further +200 via hit cap increase, making for a potential total of +400 hits. However, getting that +400 without sacrificing other stats is probably another matter. But worth doing if you can because the bigger your hit point pool the more chance a healer can save you once they've spotted you taking hits. As I'm sure you know, half the problem playing a healer is the moment you see someones health bar drop suddenly their death is probably already sealed. So you either need a sixth sense or hope that your group mates have a big enough health pool they can take a few hits in the time it takes you to respond.
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Pre-emptive healing ftw! (until you spunk all your mana!)
Sax.
edit - I should be online tomorrow evening!