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General => General Chat => Topic started by: Saxif on January 26, 2009, 08:49:17 pm
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Hey Guys,
I am a little bored, got to tidy my flat for an inspection tomorrow :( Though its not to gross, honest!!
Thought I'd start a Civ4 thread to see how we all play the game, and how good we are at it !!
Ok, so ...
1). World Type? I like Fractal.
2). World Size? I play Standard mostly, with the occasional large.
3). Leader? I random it.
4). Water lvl? I tend to go temperate and medium.
5). Game speed? I go normal, but might try Marathon soon.
6). Difficulty? I play Prince but haven't beaten the AI in the last 2 games and it looks like the AI might pip me to the post in this game for a Space Win as well :(
7). Favourite finish type? I like tech victory i.e space ship.
8). Favourite mod? I have only played FFH2 but not since they finsihed it, want to play Stone Age and Warhammer mods.
So, lets read it then ;D
Sax.
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hmmm
1 ).Big & Small and Terra most of the time
2 ).Large for Big & Small, Standard for Terra
3 ).English Empire, Elizibeth. Or another one with Financial most of the time
4 ).Defult almost all the time
5 ).Normal almost all the time...
6 ).Noble atm
7 ).Well, when i beat Noble i'll update this :P but i'd love to get a Domination Victory
8 ).Haven't tried a moded game, just BtS
I have trouble getting to the end game all the time (where BtS is based mainly around too :P) AI's annoy me, if one tries anything funny (i.e-demands, forced religon) i wanna give 'em abit of payback, so the whole game swirls into a 500year war ruining my Civ :/ Will try more of a building/tech route sometime, and wipe some1 out later in the game like Sax suggested too me awhile back ;)
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Try going for a Spiritual Leader, the ability to swap Civics without any downtime is awesome and being the first to found a religion is very handy cos you can then spread it to your neighbours and convert them to your religion instead of the other way round.
If you like Domination wins, go for an early Axeman rush, just don't pick the Leader with the Defensive ability ;p You can either wipe them totally, or take a couple of cities. Also Domination wins are easier on Marathon and Epic games. I've only done a Domination on either Warlord or Noble not sure which now, problem for me is it take ages to move your troops around <yawn>
Sax.
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hey :)
1). World Type? Usually Pangaea, to avoid having to build a large navy and concentrate on the land based fighting. Though if i fancy a game with some navies i use continents or inland sea
2). World Size? Standard pretty much always
3). Leader? I've played as most of them, i don't really have a favorite as i like to try to win with different traits. Playing as a creative civ is a very different style of game to an aggressive civ for example. I don't random it though, usually pick a leader for the type of victory I'm looking to achieve which i decide at the start of the game (doesn't always work out mind you)
4). Water lvl? temperate and medium
5). Game speed? normal, occasionally epic (especially if i am planning a highly militaristic/aggressive civ as you get more turns to move your units as sax says)
6). Difficulty? at the moment i play on noble but usually win. When i play on prince i tend to get beaten :)
7). Favourite finish type? Cultural, because its the most difficult to achieve imo, especially hard to give up pursuing techs and whack the culture slider right up, you become very vulnerable as the AI starts to out-tech you. Domination and Diplomatic can be fun also. Space race sucks (too easy imo!) but allot of my games usually end up with me doing space race :(
I've tried allot of mods but never really found one that i got into, same goes for scenario's - they're kinda fun but i usually ditch them for starting an ordinary BTS game :D I think it's more fun to have built something yourself, the game starts to develop a real personality then.
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I've not played Civ 4 but I played Civ 2 a huge amount way back when. However, just noticed that Civ 4 Complete, which includes both expansion packs, was going for ?9.99 on play.com, which seemed a good deal so I've ordered a copy. Will let you know how I get on. When I get it, should I play it through without the expansions a few times first, or go straight for the expansions?
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Just go straight for the beyond the sword expansion (don't forget to patch up though). Whilst there is allot to take in it has many bugfixes and some really neat features, I wouldn't really consider going back to a previous version of civ myself. If you played civ II then you're already more than familiar with the concepts so the learning curve shouldn't be difficult, there's also a fair bit of automation by default though as with all civ games as you play more you'll discover more about the micro management aspects (I'm still learning stuff).
I have regularly gone back to civ IV more than probably any other game over the past few years, well worth ?9.99 imo
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What Las said in the above post tbh. Also Cern check out this site http://www.civfanatics.com/ It is everything Civ based, has a massive hardcore following and here http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=297754 is an un-official patch for Civ4 BTS, I haven't dl'd it yet but am thinking about it, you'll need to patch up first though.
Sax.
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Damn but if I didn't just get taught a lesson in humilty I don't know what happened :)
Theres a girl at work who plays Civ4, she's abit of a geek and self confessed brain but she only plays it on Warlord. Obviously we argue about who's the best and being a semi-Prince player (not beaten it for awhile) I reckoned I could top anything she did :)
So her favourite method of winning is Cultural, and she did a 1785 or 1795 Cultural win, I reckoned I could easily beat it and prolly take 100 years off it :o How wrong was I, at 1804 and I am prolly 20-30 turns off winning. Man humble pie don't taste as good as vicotry pie ;D
Sax.
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i'm surprised you can remeber what victory pie tastes like Sax
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Doesn't it come with Gimp Crumble for a dessert? :)
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Haha, I seem to remember the sweet taste from the last time we played Warhammer Fantasy Battle Xan, man you sucked ;D
Seriously though, try it for yourself and see if you can beat it :)
Sax.
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Sax was beaten by a girl. Naa na na naa na! ;D
I suck at Civilization, even when playing on Chieftain though. I like developing my cities too much and building World Wonders and so I'm always way behind on military power.
I recently discovered Mount&Blade (http://www.taleworlds.com/) and having a lot of fun with it. It's sort of a mix of RPG, Pirates & Civilization but in a Medieval setting and with real time combat which is actually great fun. You start as a single mercenary in Caldaria which consists of 5 kingdoms that each have a king and lords under them. You can hire mercenaries, companions or peasants and level those up in combat and join any kingdom either as mercenary (get paid weekly) or as vassal to a king (means you get a village and can own castles + it's associated villages you conquer). I'm still discovering a lot about the game, but all in all it's great fun and there's a demo available. There's also loads of mods available, from making the game look (way) better to new era's (there's even Battlestar Galactica and Star Wars mods :)).
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Cool eko, I played about with Mount and Blade a couple of years ago, sounds like it has come on alot. It always had alot of promise but some bits of it where way out of spec, its nice to have a game that mixes twitch with stats.
Sax.
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Yeah i played the beta a looong time ago, think it was Sax who recommeded it actually. It was very unfinished but looked promising, I'll have to take a lookie at it now when i get time.
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If you decide to try it out, get the Graphical Enhancement mod (http://forums.taleworlds.net/index.php/topic,36914.0.html) as well, transforms the graphics from being 5 years old to a modern looking game. I'm actually using most of the mods from this thread (http://forums.taleworlds.net/index.php/topic,44196.0.html).
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An interesting tactic I read about and am trying on my current game, really helps with espionage.
Build Great Wall, ideally in your first city but could be a border city that needs a little culture, this produces 2 esp (espionage) points (4 if your philosophical), wait patiently till you get a GSpy (great spy), settle him into your main city as your palace produces 4esp points. Then your 2nd Gspy you have make Scotland Yard in your capital. Run a spy specialist as much as you can in that city and build Courthouse as soon as your able. Later on adopt Nationhood and make sure you build all the appropriate spy buildings as well.
Theres obviously more to it but thats the basics. I am on 1050AD and have stolen 4 or 5 techs, as well as changing Charlemagnes religion as he's the Power leader and doesn't like me for my religion :(
Sax.
editted the 1050 part :)
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Say wot? :)
You still gonna play WoW, Sax? I've started playing again, but taking it real easy, only got 77 last night with Eara.
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I am not really avoiding it or bored with it or anything but the enforced break over xmas broke that NEED to play we can all generate (and man was I pissed off when my pc went down!). So atm I want to play Civ4 way more, I also have some painting and modelling to do.
So basically I prolly won't come back anytime soon, at least till I am bored with Civ4, though I have been promising myself a go on Football Manager as well. We'll see but I have let me subs run out (I think, was using a prepaid card for 2 months) so I can't really promise anything.
Sorry, if I find more time to play, I'll try and drop in though :)
Sax.
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I'd really love to have a go at Football Manager Live, but all the reviews I've read say how wonderful but horribly addictive it is. So I'm restraining myself at the moment! I've not had any MMO subs active for a month now and have restricted my gaming to a bit of Civ4 and some Guitar Hero. As a result I've got lots of other stuff done and I'm loathe to catch the online gaming bug again ... but must say FML is very very tempting :)
I have been promising myself a go on Football Manager as well.
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Nice idea Sax, I've not really tried an espionage style game, mostly had thought it was pretty useless but i guess if you invest heavily into then it can be worthwhile, i just hate to lose all that gold/beakers that i could be getting :)
Tried Mount and Blade eko but kinda found it repetitive (i remember now why i stopped playing the beta). I think its awesome though that a proper indie games developer has come up with this and i like it's originality, so i bought the game to support them as best i can. This really is the kind of thinking we need for future games imo, it really is fun for a while and the gfx mods bring it semi up to date (around the standard of morrowind gfx imo). Imagine what those guys could do with a bigger budget.
Haven't tried FML, not sure i really get the point. If you read the forums there's constant turmoil in the online leagues as the people that lose drop out and i don't think they've really fixed it yet. FM 2009 however is totally addictive, i have been playing it most of January and only recently saved myself by resurrecting fallout 3 (i didn't play it enough 1st time around and am now thoroughly deep into it, really is an awesome game). FM 2009 has that 'just one more game' or 'just get to the end of the transfer window' feeling and before you know it it's 3am again ;) Having said that, if you (like me) last played the series when it was championship manager the tactics have got HORRENDOUSLY complex and the AI is awesome at working out how to beat you meaning you can no longer come up with that set of uber tactics then you're sorted (usually the AI has cracked you within a few in game weeks). I guess that's very realistic and simulation-like but kinda annoyed me how up on tactics you got be now, for the casual football fan and player (i.e. me) it's gone way OTT.
Anyways hope you're all good and enjoy Civ IV Cern :-)
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prolly jynxing it now, but think i'm omw too 1st win on Noble ;)
Gilgamesh, Pangaea, Large, Normal speed. Got everything under control, think a Cultural Victory is inc, only 1500-ish tho, still time for AI's to screw my over i guess.
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Last time I played any footie sim was indeed back in the days of Championship Manager, and yep I used to find a winning strategy and stick with it for an entire season. Got pretty boring because the AI wasn't up to much and would only win by fixing the odds. So it's interesting to hear they've made the AI much better. Perhaps I should give FM2009 a try, it'd be less of a time sink than FML. Interesting what you say about the losing players dropping out of FML, I guess I can see why that might happen and they need to find some incentive for people to play the season through fully even if they aren't doing so well (like some bonus cash for the next season or something).
In Civ 4 I'm in the middle of my first game. Playing a Continents game on Warlord difficulty as the Celts. I'm in the mid 1800s and already running around with Airships, so doing pretty well. My capital is the top city (population 26 and lots of wonders), the Ottoman Empire has been trodden into the dust of history and I'm currently giving the French and Portuguese a lesson in good manners and hopefully will get a continent to myself soon. Diplomacy? Espionage? Culture? Who needs any of that when you got hordes of woad-painted madmen with hi-tech guns and your opponents are messing around with bows and lances :)
Having said that, if you (like me) last played the series when it was championship manager the tactics have got HORRENDOUSLY complex and the AI is awesome at working out how to beat you meaning you can no longer come up with that set of uber tactics then you're sorted (usually the AI has cracked you within a few in game weeks). I guess that's very realistic and simulation-like but kinda annoyed me how up on tactics you got be now, for the casual football fan and player (i.e. me) it's gone way OTT.
Anyways hope you're all good and enjoy Civ IV Cern :-)
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Good luck Xan, I'd wish you luck to Cern but doesn't sound like you need it :)
A further thing with regards the espionage game, although I am playing with espionage a little more I am still trying to go for my Space Race victory and doing well, so as with any good Space Race game I just swapped to Free Religion. This however makes espionage alot harder because it means that having your religion in the AI cities counts for nothing, which increases costs by about 30%, so a tip if your going to try it is to steal a load of techs just before swapping to Free Religion, I might do this in hindsight, a quick swap back and fro once I have spies stationary for 5 turns in several promising cities. A good idea would be to do this in a Golden Age for no Anarchy as well if possible ;D
This game I also dropped my research slider down to 10% and pumped my espionage slider up to 70% for 4 turns, and chose 2 Civs to put all my espionage into. This has had the effect that when I have a religion I can see into all their cities with my religion and they are very vulnrable to me stealing techs or messing with their cities, kinda useful for slowing down potential rivals. Allowed me to see who was creating what Wonders after I worked out what Techs they had on the Diplomacy screen so I could see who was able to build the things I wanted; which meant I was able to pick the city ti build University of Sankore and know I'd get it out, I also got out Taj Mahal (sp?) this way to :)
Sax.
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Finally beat the AI at Prince to a Space Race, they hadn't even launched by the time I had my ship at Alpha Centuri! :) 5th game lucky ;p
Ghandi, The Evil Wrinkly One almost beat me with a Cultural Victory though, I had all my armies on his border ready to break into one of his "soon to be Legendary Cities". Think I am gonna do something else for a week before tackling it again for a different Victory type now :)
Sax.
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hehe, nice one ;)
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Grr, hate going to war when the opposition are on another continent!
Sax.
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just won my 1st noble game :D
Elizibeth, Terra, Large, Epic. Diplomatic win, 1970. Leadership qualities of Augustus Caesar :P
nothing much diplomatic about it rly, wiped out the mongols and made the greeks, french, indians and americans Capitulate, so when the U.N vote came round they all had to vote for me :D plus was a few % away from a domination victory too, and had 1/2 a spaceship built ;)
i should play a few more rly, but will prolly hop straight to prince now and get beaten over and over :)
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I was trying for a Domination win recently but ended up with a Diplomatic for the same reasons (lots of population and Vassals). How long did it take you, I spent 11 hours on a standard map/epic speed for my win :(
I think you should check this out Xan ...
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=171398
It's a fantasy mod for Civ4 BTS. The main differences other than the fantasy element are the fact that there r way more barbarians, units tend to have much lower strength but promote much higher and you have Hero units which slowly generate XP over time making them very powerful. I played a game the other night and got pwned badly, think the AI build more military than vanilla. Also the tech tree is massively different.
Grats on the Noble win though :)
Sax.
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I was trying for a Domination win recently but ended up with a Diplomatic for the same reasons (lots of population and Vassals). How long did it take you, I spent 11 hours on a standard map/epic speed for my win :(
10 hours 37mins, Large, Terra, Epic. so about the same speed rly.
i've downloaded that Mod, not played yet, will start a game sometime this week :)
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Theres also a mod for the mod :o called Fall Further, which adds more races and some extra's events and dungeon events (you can send units to explore lairs and they get goodies), advanced alignment rules and other stuff. I might dl it and load it up for my next game.
Sax.
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I was playing today and a new Civ spawned!! Hyporborem, a bunch of bloody outsiders, seems as the armageddon counter gets higher, demons and devils start founding cities until all hell breaks loose, literally!! Decided I don't like having Demons as neighbours, so gonna try and get rid of them, problem is I am already in a war with another Civ cos they ninja'd the Dragon I was killing and stole the hoard, killed am and got it back though ;p
Sax.
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i think i like this mod, but finding it hard to get into a game... feel like i need to read thru the whole Civopedia cos of how different it is
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With all mods including FFH i always start playing them then long for an 'ordinary' civ game as i don't understand wtf is going on ;) I know i should give them more time really, that FFh mod has had heaps of praise but have tried to get into it multiple times and always just go back to vanilla.
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Things to know when playing FFH2
1). When you research a tech that gives a new unit, for most civs you need to build a specific building to allow you to build that unit, you can't just pump it out in all cities.
2). Religions give you access to powerful new units, found or convert to one, for example, I always try and found Octopus Overlords as it is based on Cthulu and I get Zealots and then Cultists. Zealots can spread the religion, or they can do a mini culture burst of 20 culture to pop your first border. Zealot allows a Temple of the Overlords to be insta built in a city. The zealot though is a strength 5 unit with double medic promotion to start with so also very handy.
3). Teching is much slower.
4). All races have Hero's these gain 1 xp a turn till 100 xp, and tend to become nails, some Hero's are also Immortal. I play Calacim as they are a Vampire civ, so all my hero's tend to rock, also you can sacrifice population in a Blood Feast which grants vampires xp, fucking cool or what? :)
5). There are alot of barbarians, built plenty of units.
6). All buildings such as Goblin Forts, Ruins, Towers can be delved and grant various rewards, or sometimes badness.
7). Because the tech tree has seperate branches the best thing to do is decide on what you want and go for it, for example, you cannot have both a powerful melee and mage civ, you really need to go for one or the other.
8). As the armegeddon counter goes up the relations between Good and Evil civs get more strain and wars break out more, as it hits big numbers really bad things happen. The counter is built into the end turn button. Doing things like razing cities and founding the Ashen Viel make the counter go up.
9). Read the Civ FFH2 sub forums for more info!!
Sax.
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sounds like you're right into it :) I'll try and give it another go when i get time
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Not so much into it, just played enough times to work out some of the basics. I think I still prefer BTS to FFH2 tbh, I just get a kick out of beating the AI (in the fastest time I can), working towards Monarch atm, might do 1 more Prince game, or just jump up after I finish up my current game. Trying to knock up all the various types of win atm to round off my playstlye before I go up.
Sax.
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Nice one sax, i still get my arsed kicked on prince as the AI tends to tech too fast whilst amassing a ton of units as usual. I think i am probably guilty still of trying to build too many wonders, not quite as bad as eko trying to build everything but i do often get sidetracked by building wonders that didn't really give me that much benefit in the long run. I don't think i've totally grasped how to specialise cities either, I get the principles and try to setup a city to be a GPP or a Military city etc, but they often don't turn out like i intended. Any tips other than the usual stuff on the forum ? I think my big problem is i can't be arsed to plan it in a silly amount of detail (i.e. thinking about every square and adding up how much of each type you get and what you want to do with it)/
I will try FFH2, downloaded it already and managed to pick up the manual somewhere which kinda explains some of the concepts. I don't think i've played it before, the one i played was FFH Age of Ice and i totally failed to get to grips with it. Maybe this will be the same but I'll give it a go.
Time is the problem for me atm, just stupid at work right now... qq
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Great person farms work best with Caste System as you can then run lots of scientists which pop Great Scientists and you can use them to bulb techs which gives you an edge in the early game but is pretty useless in the late game when the cost of techs is so much higher.
Find a piece of land with good food and lots of hills and only build farms and mines, thats your production city, any Wonder you absolutely must have goes there. Often in your Production City it is good to build Heroic Epic once you get a lvl 4 unit (100% faster military production), and when ever your not building anything special just pump out units, one after another after another. Destroy old units after a war or upgrade those with good promotions, as the more untis you have the more it costs you. Something to look out for is City Raider promotions, Macemen are the last unit that can have this promotion, if your going for a Domination or Diplomacy win, it is a good idea to get an early war in to upgrade a bunch of units with City Raider for use when you have Rifles or something similar.
Another way to get a bit of a tech bonus is pick on the weakest Civ early before they get Vassalised, then you can either make them your Vassal or force them to give you techs for a Peace Treaty.
Cottage spam alot. If your going for a culture win you can have a Production city and turn it into a cottage city towards the end game so you can benefit from the culture slider, this also helps snag wonders (don't put anything into culture slider until your absolutely ready to sprint for the end). The thing you need to produce wonders is a tech lead, often going for Pottery first and building a few farms helps lots, as you bulb techs with scientist that helps and you can trade to back fill, this means you need Library early on and that creates a conflict on interest between Mining -> Bronze Working (to chop out settlers and Great Wall/Pyramids from Masonry) and the Religous Techs (Stonehenge, a must if your not Creative). Bulbing techs works best if your Philisophical.
A little trick I learnt recently is the AI will often pay lot for resources, if you sell 3 or 4 resources you can easily net 30 gold a turn, which can result in 10% higher research. Don't expand to fast, as although more cities means more research, alot of your cities will be crap, if you have 10 cities and only 4 of them are any good, you'll produce less research on 40% than 6 cities with 2 crap at 70%.
Wonders are great but I think as the games gets harder building wonders becomes less important. Some are better than others, Stonehenge, Pyramids, and Great Wall are all pretty rocking as is Oracle and Parthenon. I have read Statue of Zeus is OP but don't think I have managed to build it, some others are also good. If you do have a tech lead then go Democracy after Liberalism (free tech slingshot), if your first to switch to Emancipation then you force unhappiness on all AI civs, you can either use this to hamstring them or to backfill your techs as they will all want it.
TBH, there is so much to know it's almost silly. I got beat about 8 times on the trot at Prince before winning my first game and I am not 100% still.
Shitty about work mate, hope it calms down. I think you'll find FFh2 pretty odd to start with, the tech speed and building speed is slower and there are alot of barbs but GL :)
Sax.
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cheers sax, some nice tips there for me to try :)
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I was thinking that it is wrong for me to swear by GPF as I rarely put them down myself. I started another game tonight and my Capital is perfectly placed and has given me a massive boost with something like 5 Flood Plains a Gold mine and a Wheat Farm. It would have made a amazing GPF but instead I decided to farm 1 of the FP's and put cottages on the rest for a boost to gold and research.
It's often advamtageous for the most part to cluster your cities close together, though not necessary. It is more important when you have limited land and need to make the most of it, don't run off to the other end of the earth for a resource either, the maintenance will go up and slow your economay down.
Sax.
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I have just recently started using Organised Religion early in the game. It is a High Maintenance Civic but helps with building when you have few hammers, good for early when Maintenance is less of a problem and your putting down the foundations but less useful later on, unless you want to nail a few late stage wonders (assuming it works with wonder,s I am not sure). I would guess that you would change to something else like Theocracy if you want to hurt someone or win by Dom, or Free Religion if your going for Space Race, or want a tech lead to Dom with later, or another civic to buddy up with some AI, though tbh I haven't gone into that much detail yet.
Sax.
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Organised religion is great imo if used early, but usually you have to go with whatever religion is in your lands and that can mess up your diplomacy, I've always seen it as a bit of a gamble which sometimes pays off and sometimes lands you in the crap :)
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I have rarely used it before simply because I almost never research or use religous techs, I got into the habit of going mining -> Bronze and chopping settlers whilst going for agri, pottery, maybe fishing but generally writing and currency and then Code of Laws early. I think I underestimated it previously :)
Sax.
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In a game i started recently (noble, epic, Pangea, Gandhi) i was lucky enoguh to settle next to stone, founded a religion, choped the Pyramids and was running Police State+Orgaized Religon. Both high maintinace, but i was building Chairots/axeman in 2 turns in 3 cities. Rushed a civ v. quick and in the proces of another now, will prolly take a 1 more city then offer peace, swith to Free Religon (once the shwedagon pagoda is built) and should be set.
The quick expansion is straining my econemy, but am living on the gold i've been plundering :)
I usualy build a barracks, but rarely run civics that give +xp to new units. seem abit pointless to me?
ps. started playing EVE, ahhhhhhhh its draging me in
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Well sometimes i think it's too risky to go with organised religion because I'll naff off civs that i don't want to, so then i would take something like Theocracy and work toward free religion or build missionaries and try to convert whichever civ I want to stay friendly with. Some of the AI's can go nuts about religion, prolly the best example is Isabella who can either be your best ally or your worst enemy depending on what you go with :)
Theres a further trade off with religion too, if you found a religion and build a holy city and spread it enough throughout the world it can be a real cashcow. Hard to do though as you have to beat the AI to one of the good ones (i.e. not one of the later religions) so that you have a chance that some of the AI's pick your religion also.
p.s. Enjoy EVE xan :)
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I think +xp's are good. If your not Agressive you get 3 xp's for a Barrcks, then say 2 for vassalage and 2 for Theocracy and if your going to war 2 in 1 city for a Great General, so all your units are starting with 9 xp's which is 1 fight away from 3 promotions, settle a 2nd GG and your gonna be in a good place for warfare. If your Agressive this is even better because you start with a free promo.
I am suprised you can run Police State before heridatary Rule tbh, I always need the + :) from miloltary units!
sax.
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I know what ya mean actually, +xp point civics r not the most useful but can give you an advantage, especially if your spiritual and able to switch back and forth. On the war front I thought of a tip I found out about the hard way!! When fighting someone about equal to you, always have 3 or 4 City Defenders in your stack, so when you finally sack that stubborn city, you'll have a few units which can effectively defend it and ideally you'll need them to be at lvl 3 City Defense. I destroyed a primary stack of Alexanders which was defending a city once and his secondary stack came along and crippled my primary stack, I reloaded, stuck a few City Defenders in there and generally made my stack larger and he didn't attack. I also pulled everything out of that city and moved to a hill, he retook the city, which now had 0 cultural defense and I went from the hill back into the city, denying his stack any kind of cover bonus and no fortification bonus.
Sax.
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I know its a boast but just managed to win my first Monarch lvl game! :)
Conquered my land mass, killed the Egyptians and forced the Romans and the Babylonians to capitulate, couldn't take on the other land mass cos Kublai Khan went mental on his military so ended up with a Space Race victory. Need a break now though, feel a bit civved out, won't start another game for at least 24 hrs ;p
Sax.
edit - I found this mod, seem pretty good. Helps with game play, improves the interface and stuff. I have not tried it yet but will use it for my next game.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=274636
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nice one sax :)
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Hey Xan,
I managed a Conquest Victory!! It's a "vassalize the continent but stay under the domination threshold victory" type thing and the end scene is pretty cool. At one point I had to pay Shaka to stop beating up on Washington cos I didn't want Shaka making Washington his vassal, worked out well in the end, Washington asked to become my Vassal then the two of us Ragnar and Ramasses went medieval on Shaka ;D
Sax.
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hehe nice diplomacy skills :)
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grats ;) was that on Monarch or Prince?
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Prince, though it seems easy on prince I keep getting owned on Monarch.
Sax.
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Managed to win again on Monarch after God knows how many attempts! Played Julius Caesar a very overpowered leader, used his Praetorians to get an early lead by taking out the Native Americans and anyone who has played against Sitting Bull knows how tough his city defenders are but Praetorians did the job! Ended the game with 35 cities and both a Domination and Diplomatic Win!! ;p
The game did take 23 hours and 54 mins though :(
Sax.
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hehe nice, i really can't play on Monarch as i just get a total kicking ..... but how can you win two different types of victories ? Used an old saved game to replay ?
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Nope, the vote for a Religous Diplomatic Win came up the turn before I managed to get Pacal and Jao to capitulate, so I scored both a Diplo and Domination, though it gave me the Domination end sequance. I also had forced all the AI players to capitulate except Sitting Bull who died, so I kinda score it as a Conquest as well ;p
Sax.