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Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on October 30, 2006, 02:48:34 pm
Hello All

Hope you are all well?

Just posting here to see if anyone was going to start playing WoW again, I know myself and Cern are currently activate (both playing Horde again) but I was wondering if anyone else was going to come back. With the BG's being cross realm it is easier to avoid fighting the same premade groups and raids. Also if the rumours are true they are going to create BG's just for premade groups to join.

Brigh :D

p.s. Sax - Warlocks are now uber so you may now stand a chance of beating someone!! :P seriously though Warlocks are pain in the arses to fight against :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Cernos on October 30, 2006, 04:36:36 pm
Yeah, Warlocks need a serious nerfing and with Sax's luck it'll probably happen if he returns :D
 
RoD still exists as a guild, but Brigh and I joined our active characters into Legion Inc, who are new guild for casual (and preferably mature) players started up by Shiden and Kalkoen (ShiShi and Balbuta from DAOC). They seem a decent bunch though still recruiting so obviously personnel yet to fully settle down. Currently raiding UBRS and similar with a view to doing AQ20 and the new raid content in TBC expansion. But it's as casual as possible, with no forced specs or obligations to raid. Also raids tend to start about 8pm UK time which is good from my point of view.
 
Anyway, if any of you are clicking your heels and fancy a return to the game ... you'll find some things are better after all the patches (no BG queues, lots of new content, improved class balance, with the exception of OP'd warlocks!) and some things are worse (silly damage in endgame PvP now everyone running around in epix and a grind is a grind is a grind in any clothing).
 
Expansion looks set to shake things up a lot, but that's not until January now.
Title: WoW
Post by: eKo on October 30, 2006, 05:41:43 pm
I'm still playing WoW :). Still as Alliance on Thunderhorn though in Roses of Dawn.

We won the screenshot contest and got 25 beta keys, so I'm now mainly exploring tBC beta :D. tBC is really cool, the new zones (only 4 open so far) look really good and if rep stays as it is now (not sure as xp is accelerated, dunno about rep) then you can get to honoured with the new factions easy by just questing. Each zone has several new factions and there's also a (different) PvP objective in each zone. The most fun so far is the one in Nagrand where you can do bombing runs on the village on a gryph :). Can't say much about class balance yet as level cap is only lvl 67 so far, but a shadowpriest is a lot of fun.

There are also some UI improvements, no more LFG channel, but instead a LFG/LFM panel, sort off similar to the one from DAoC. ALT + a spell casts in on yourself without having to switch targets. There's also a much improved character stats screen where you can select to see your melee/ranged/spell/defense stats in detail (amount of +dmg, +hit, +crit, def, etc.).

The new races are nice as well, got a Draenei shaman to 21 and there's lots of fun quests in the new starter zones. Only played a Blood Elf to lvl 5, so can't say much about them except that they do look good, but male BE dance is so gay :p.

Also, gear that drops in tBC is insanely good: greens (even lvl 55 ones) are equal or better than tier 1, blues are equal or better than tier 2, didn't see tBC epics yet ;). At lvl 64 my priest has +350 spell damage, 6k hp (self-buffed) and over 7.2k mana :p.
Title: WoW
Post by: Lasiien on October 30, 2006, 06:26:05 pm
Hey Brigh,

Good to hear from you, I thought you were playing alliance nowadays or did your little gnome get eaten by Onyxia ? :) Glad you're doing good anyways.

Generally not been tempted by a return to WOW as it really hacked me off towards the end, mostly due to the endgame (both pvp and pve) and stupidly long grinds (both pvp and pve :) ). I read some pretty cool stuff about the expansion in the flying mounts and suchlike, but knowing WoW it will cost you about 200000 gold for one and take you 3 months to get :)

Perhaps if others are going to give it another go on a casual basis i could be tempted, but don't want to get hardcore sucked into any other MMO really (yeah ok, famous last words, but at least it worked for us in ddo - only 2/3 nights a week etc).

Currently playing BF2142 to get a 'planetside' (but with better gfx and new stuff) type-fix, but VERY disappointed that EA are putting adverts in the game. Must admit i should have read up before buying it as it seriously annoyed me, we don't need games turning into walking billboards thankyouverymuchEA.

Good to hear from ya Cern and eko also :) Eko, do you have a link to your winning screenie ?

Las

p.s. Has anyone else seen South Parks take on WoW. Very very funny. Link i saw it on here (http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/south-park/world-of-warcraft-meets-south-park-the-complete-episode-205493.php)  (Warning, have 20mins or so to watch it and obviously it is south park type humour and colourful language etc :))
Title: WoW
Post by: eKo on October 30, 2006, 07:46:33 pm
A link to the screenie here (http://www.rosesofdawn.com/images/screenshots/WOW%20guild%20comp%20entry.jpg) with the caption being: 'Bored of farming, let's go to Draenor.'. Goal was to take a screenshot of your guild near a famous npc and we chose Princess :).

We only had a few days to come up with something and Wimsy & Rhynn spent a lot of time farming mats to make everyone a farmer's outfit. I's not very special tbh, but was a lot of fun at the time and getting in beta was the icing on the cake :).

The South Park WoW episode was really funny ('How can you kill that which has no life?' :D). One WoW movie everyone has to see is Zinwrath (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jit0TZtq9rM) imo, it's done very well and is also really funny.
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on October 30, 2006, 08:19:46 pm
Glad to hear you folks are having fun in WoW, your still playing Skullcrusher then I take it?  It's kinda tempting to come back just casual doing a few sessions a week I must admit, will prolly depending on how good NWN2 and Mark of Chaos are now that CoSB has been pushed back.  

Worst thing about coming back would be learning how to play again and sorting out UI mods all over again but am tempted :)

Take it easy guys,

Sax.
Title: WoW
Post by: Cernos on October 30, 2006, 10:17:15 pm
Quote from: Saxif
Worst thing about coming back would be learning how to play again

Again? :D ;)
 
C'mon you gimp, come back so there's at least one Warlock I can beat in the game :p
 
Gratz on the beta keys eKo. The expansion does sound good, but if the gear is so much better than current tier 1 and 2 gear, it does make you wonder if it's worth putting much effort into raiding any gear before the expansion arrives. Or will the gear in the expansion need a strong raid to obtain?

Saw the South Park WoW episode, hilarious.
Title: WoW
Post by: Lasiien on October 31, 2006, 10:42:51 am
Nice screenie eko, though I never played alliance much so princess isn't too well known for me :) Good video link you gave also - very nicely done movie (though i think the guy that did the music went a bit mad on his bontempi organ!).

As Sax said, NWN2 is out on friday - hoping that will be good, but i suppose i could renew wow sometime just to see whats changed, class balance and pvp queues do sound like good things - I'm just shuddering at the number of grinds they had all over the place. Wouldn't promise that i'd stay though or anything :)

Sax would not own anything as a warlock anyway, he just charges in and melees (someone forgot to tell him he's not a tank........tree!)
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on October 31, 2006, 03:55:18 pm
Fortuneatly I am so skilled I can make a melee toon out of any character!!!

 :D

Title: WoW
Post by: Darkly on October 31, 2006, 05:13:23 pm
Rofl sax...  all I want to know is, when you play a fighter, do you sit at the back of the party gesturing and incanting? ;)

Hi Brigh... and hi all. We'd come back to wow if everyone else was, I reckon. Grim/Hel is currently bored and pining for a game to play at any rate ;)

Just installing BF 2142 now Las... in game adverts, wtf? Yack. Not sure how it'll run on my machine anyway.
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on October 31, 2006, 05:33:53 pm
you know you all want to come back and play again, I can sense it.

I have got an alliance rogue but had enough of him so thought I would try my warrior again (currently trying to exalted in AV as I never did any PVP with him so his gear is kinda rubbish) although I could still kill Saxif in one hit :P

We are still playing on Skullcrusher and would be nice to see you all again. I think TBC should improve the game but I imagine all the nice stuff will be beyond my reach as usual :)

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on October 31, 2006, 06:59:52 pm
I'll prolly sort my subs out actually, I am kinda pining for a game atm also.  I do however need to beat Civ4 a few more times, I don't feel I am quite at ninja skilz yet :)

Also wanna check out NWN2, but will prolly check in to WoW at some point in a 2 or 3 weeks so watch this space !!!

Sax.

edit:- I only sit back and waggle my fingers when playing a melee toon if I am fighting Brigh, need to give him a chance ya see  :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on October 31, 2006, 07:21:49 pm
I know we would get you playing again - I won't be on tonight but I should be around the rest of the week. The guild me and Cern are in seems pretty cool as they accept very casual players , check out
http://z10.invisionfree.com/Legion_Inc/index.php?showtopic=3

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Lasiien on October 31, 2006, 07:44:19 pm
d - /rant on: yeah ads are not in the game yet (at least they were not the other day) but you can see all the billboards etc they are going to plaster with mcdonalds ads and suchlike. Decent enough game (though actually not much improvement on BF2) but the ads thing really got to me for some reason.

I dont mind Tiger Woods Golf, or Nike Soccer or something like that. But if this is a trend that when we play warhammer (which is also going to be an EA game) we'll have 50000 coke and mcdonalds adverts placing spyware on our pc's and totally ruining the immersion. /rant off

re: WOW: Alrighty, sounds like we'll all reactivate wow then over the next week or two and have some fun together and see whats changed and take it from there.
Title: WoW
Post by: Cernos on October 31, 2006, 08:57:33 pm
Yay \o/
 
Will be great to see you all back.
 
I can sort out RoD reinvites for those who migrated to PO and will probably find themselve guildless on logging back in. And once peeps find their feet can decide whether to join up with Legion Inc (who are pretty casual though going to have a bash at ZG raiding) or instead do some casual stuff as RoD.
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on November 01, 2006, 10:51:18 am
Sounds cool, prolly easier to join Legion with you guys tbh, dunno what the others think but seems a better idea to me with us all thinking of playing kinda casual.

Sax.
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 01, 2006, 01:20:03 pm
Quote from: Lasiien

re: WOW: Alrighty, sounds like we'll all reactivate wow then over the next week or two and have some fun together and see whats changed and take it from there.


Cool - I only activated my account for 1 month but I will chnage it to a 3 monthly thing when it runs out in a few weeks.

So that is Las and Sax back - how about Darkly, Grimly and maybe getting Eko to rejoin the Horde? :D

Anyone know what happened to the likes of Rodox etc ?

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Darkly on November 01, 2006, 01:54:24 pm
Yeah, we'll come back for a bit of a look if everyone else is (and it looks that way :) )

Re: BF2142 ads, I know what you mean, dangerous precedent and all that.... but there's no way they could do it with an RPG though (well, maybe a sci-fi one but certainly not warhammer, it would completely fook the immersion).

Maybe some ads for plat farmers though ;)
Title: WoW
Post by: Lasiien on November 01, 2006, 04:50:56 pm
Rodox is still playing I believe, so is Tombad, Paratricia, Ktulu and Khaleb i think for those that remember them. Believe they're all still in PO but i kinda lost touch with them when PO moved their boards to somewhere else. I do not intend to go down the 4-5 days a week 40man raiding type stuff again though no :) So casual kinda guild sounds fine.

Eko never really got going on skullcrusher as he had both alliance characters with roses and was playing horde on some other server, though I'm sure we might see an alt or two of his when he gets bored :)

re: Ads, well yes, but you didnt see ads in quake though did you which was a futuristic sci-fi type thing :) Also why not have RPG type ads - 'pray to the great god intel' etc ;)
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on November 01, 2006, 05:00:31 pm
I hear they are making the new BC raids 20 man so you don't need ubar guilds, which pissed off alot of the pre-made 40 man raid grps as they'll need to split.
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 01, 2006, 05:16:56 pm
I do keep an eye out for members of PO but I can't be bothered raiding at all at the moment (just PVP) - I know that legioninc are going to try their hand at the 20 man dungeons but that is about it for now

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: eKo on November 01, 2006, 06:30:37 pm
It's kinda hard for me to join you as I think I deleted my chars on Skullcrusher eventually (were only 18 & 21 anyway). I do have a lvl 43 shammie on The Maelstrom server which is unplayed atm and could be transferred really (need money for my mount though :p).

And afaik the raid instances in tBC will be 25-man, though they might throw in a few 40-man instances, you never know.

PvP will get a big overhaul with the expansion: no more honor grinding for ranks. Instead you'll be able to accumulate honor over time to get PvP rewards, so even casuals will be able to get good gear eventually without having to play 24/7. They're going to add 1 more BG, all tBC zones have some world PvP objectives and they're also introducing arena matches (2vs2, 3vs3 and 5vs5 iirc) which will have the better PvP rewards. They're also working on some sort of matchmaking service so you won't have a PuG of fresh lvl 60's in green gear vs a team of epixed chars, though it might be mainly for arena matches as they want to intruduce a ladder system, etc.
Title: WoW
Post by: Cernos on November 01, 2006, 06:54:27 pm
I'm sure we could have a whip round for a mount if you wanted to transfer your shammie eKo. Less of an issue with shammies anyway thanks to Ghost Wolf. I'm levelling a Priest at the moment (currently 44) though mostly off peak through the Stanglethorn Gankfest levels :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Lasiien on November 01, 2006, 08:45:41 pm
can you transfer between any servers now then ? Cool :) If so, yep we can have a whip round, or at least whip Brigh or something
Title: WoW
Post by: eKo on November 01, 2006, 08:57:09 pm
It's a paying service, but yeah you can transfer chars, not to every server though as can't go from pve to pvp servers, etc.

Damn, been on PvE server so long that going back to a PvP server's going to feel weird. Never liked STV anyway, certainly not on a PvP server :p.
Title: WoW
Post by: Darkly on November 01, 2006, 10:07:23 pm
Heh, I remember stranglethorn.. I think we spent one evening there and when we'd got that 1st batch of quests finished, never, ever went back ;)
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on November 02, 2006, 10:48:01 am
Yeah I somehow went through those lvls without resorting to STV, though I do remember me Las, and a few others getting ganked by a 60th lvl Rogue till we worked out the right tactics and got her off our backs :)

Kinda like the time me and Brigh fought another 60th lvl rogue for possession of a spawn of elementals, that didn't go so well but was still fun  :D

Sax.
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 02, 2006, 11:37:17 am
yeah that was fun - prefer the PVP servers but can be annoying sometimes. I found it so much easier to level my rogue than my warrior as I was able to hide like a coward when a load of enemies rode past :)

I think its ?14.99 to move a char from one server to another and it can be done via account management.

The new PVP ideas sound good though - I'm a little annoyed as I logged on yesterday expecting to go up at least 2 pvp ranks as I got close to 140k honour last week and I went up 1 poxy rank!!!

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Lasiien on November 02, 2006, 12:35:53 pm
the big question though is - is brigh purple again ? :)

?14.99 - ouchie :) Well up to you eko but would be happy to see ya about
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 02, 2006, 01:44:16 pm
Quote from: Lasiien
the big question though is - is brigh purple again ? :)


Not at the moment - I'm hoping someday they will let us dye our armour - my armour is kinda rubbish anyway so always on the look out for purple items :)

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Lasiien on November 02, 2006, 03:13:46 pm
well, at least we still have the evidence (http://www.sylvan.org.uk/ravens/showthread.php?t=42)  :)
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 02, 2006, 03:54:47 pm
ahh the innocence of youth ;-)

I've got some better photos which I may post later if I can find them

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: eKo on November 02, 2006, 09:35:45 pm
Givf gold plxx and PL ME! :D

Transferred my char and dinged 44 already, so be on the lookout for Eara :).
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on November 02, 2006, 11:49:39 pm
LOL go Eko!!!

I am pretty busy for about the next week, I'll prolly aim to be online from next Thursday, I'll send someone a tell when I see em about :)

Sax.
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 03, 2006, 10:24:34 am
Nice one Eko :)

I need to transfer a load of cash and items from my Alliance char to my Horde char so I will need someone to assist me when I transfer via the gadgetazan AH

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Lasiien on November 06, 2006, 05:16:32 pm
am in game now and joined the guild, am in the process of trying to remember how to play (L2P!!!) and being laughed at by eko ;)
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 06, 2006, 05:25:27 pm
Quote from: Lasiien
am in game now and joined the guild, am in the process of trying to remember how to play (L2P!!!) and being laughed at by eko ;)


Its ok - everyone is laughing at you :P

Brigh :D
Title: how to make wow not look so crap
Post by: Lasiien on November 07, 2006, 10:18:54 pm
for eko mostly, who's wondering why im spending so much time messing about with mods. Some may like, some not, but personally hate the blizzard UI and prefer to make it more interesting :)

p.s. yes, lots of mods, but its fun ! also most of it is from a collection which makes it kinda easy to update etc, though still takes some configuration etc

p.p.s. on the laughing at the 'noob' front, i've realised today i've been pvping away with only mind flay rank 1 (rank 6 is level 60 spell). Forgot you had to buy that from the trainer...... ho hum :)
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 08, 2006, 09:52:30 am
What Add-Ons are people using anyway - The only one I have is Titan and TitanBG (great for AV and AB as it displays a countdown timer for how long it will be before a GY or Tower is captured)

I did have Cosmos (I think it was called that) but that just stopped a lot of my functions from working when the new patch came (for example it wouldn't let me open my map)

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on November 08, 2006, 10:56:15 am
Thats a nice looking mod Las, is it general use or aimed at Priests?  If its more general drop a linky down I'll prolly check it out when I get some time.

Sax.
Title: WoW
Post by: eKo on November 08, 2006, 12:01:02 pm
It's not one mod Sax, but a collection of mods. I seem to recognize bibmod, squeenix (square minimap), ArcHUD (the curved lines around the character for hp/mana), Elkano's BuffBar, Gatherer, Hitsmode, SacredBuff... (might not be the exact ones as there's usually several to do the same thing).

I mainly use CTRA, CT (only for questlevels, timer on casting bar & chat scrolling really), Atlas (map browser), ItemRack (gear switcher), AV Bars (shows timer bars for objectives in AV & AB), BGFlag (shows the name of the FC + can click on it to target), cMinimapCoordinates (shows coordinates on the minimap and main map), Casterstats (shows the amount of +heal/dam, mp5, ... on character sheet) and class/profession specific: Decursive (need it for raids and very handy in PvP), Gatherer (remmebers where you mined/picked flowers, looted a chest), Enchantrix (predicts disenchants), SortEnchant (makes the enchant window sortable by armor type and enchant type), Flexbar (extremely customizable buttons) for Flextotem and on my hunter: AntiDaze (automatically switches off aspect of the cheetah/pack when dazed), MinimapMenu (right click on minimap to set tracking), RangeHelp (indicates wether your target is in range for melee/ranged or in your deadzone) and Beastmaster (sorts pet skills by name).

And bah @ Las as I started messing about with UI mods now :p.
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on November 08, 2006, 12:11:50 pm
:eek:

Title: WoW
Post by: eKo on November 08, 2006, 12:25:47 pm
Muahaha, I pwnd Sax :D.
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 14, 2006, 12:41:41 pm
So then Saxif, Darkly and Grim - when are you going to be joining us ?

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on November 14, 2006, 02:33:59 pm
Sorry still digesting that post of Eko's!!!

Nah seriously though I have been v busy, am gonna try and install WoW and DL all the patches and find all the appropriate add-ons on Thursday but tbh the thought of going through all that sucks ...

I'll try and log on Friday to play if I manage to sort it all out.

Sax.

p.s - Still trying to find time to play NWN2, am kinda enjoying it but have only played a few hours so far ...
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 14, 2006, 03:49:00 pm
Quote from: Saxif
Sorry still digesting that post of Eko's!!!

Nah seriously though I have been v busy, am gonna try and install WoW and DL all the patches and find all the appropriate add-ons on Thursday but tbh the thought of going through all that sucks ...

I'll try and log on Friday to play if I manage to sort it all out.

Sax.

p.s - Still trying to find time to play NWN2, am kinda enjoying it but have only played a few hours so far ...


I wouldn't worry about add-ons at the moment - I only use CT_Raid and Titan but with the patches coming up soon who knows if they are still going t function correctly :P

When I had to reinstall I just installed in the game and then ran the updates at night and it was ready for the morning :D

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Cernos on November 14, 2006, 04:39:53 pm
Quote from: Saxif
Nah seriously though I have been v busy, am gonna try and install WoW and DL all the patches and find all the appropriate add-ons on Thursday but tbh the thought of going through all that sucks ...

Your best bet is to grab the 1.12.0 standalone patch:  
http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=534914&sid=6156159&mode=latest (http://uk.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=534914&sid=6156159&mode=latest)
 
It's 465MB but once downloaded saves heaps of messing around with sub patches. Then all you need is the small 1.12.1 update and you're good to go.
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on November 14, 2006, 05:06:39 pm
Cool, dl that tonight whilst I am out then.

Cheers Cern.
Title: WoW
Post by: Darkly on November 14, 2006, 07:22:02 pm
Same here, really, just been dead busy lately... only games I'm playing atm are the ones I'm reviewing...

Hopefully I'll be able to sort summat at the weekend.
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on November 15, 2006, 12:09:52 pm
Ok, WoW is re-installed and the patch dl'd, just got to find some time to play now :)
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 15, 2006, 01:42:07 pm
Quote from: Saxif
Ok, WoW is re-installed and the patch dl'd, just got to find some time to play now :)


Yay Saxif \o/

I'm not on tonight as taking up golf lessons  :eek:

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Lasiien on November 15, 2006, 02:34:40 pm
cool sax, and d+g will be nice to see ya, but no rush (expansion doesnt come out until mid-jan though a cool pvp patch coming in around/just before christmas)

Brigh, dont take up golf, it will sap your life, money and give you 200% increased GF agro :)
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 15, 2006, 02:51:12 pm
Quote from: Lasiien
cool sax, and d+g will be nice to see ya, but no rush (expansion doesnt come out until mid-jan though a cool pvp patch coming in around/just before christmas)

Brigh, dont take up golf, it will sap your life, money and give you 200% increased GF agro :)


I thought about that so she is coming with me for lessons so either way I win - If I don't take it up but she does then I will have the weekends to myself, if I take it up and she doesn't then she will understand the need to play to improve your game.

Sorted  :cool:

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Lasiien on November 15, 2006, 03:28:31 pm
ahhhh, man with a plan indeed :)
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 15, 2006, 03:52:58 pm
Quote from: Lasiien
ahhhh, man with a plan indeed :)


I love it when a plan comes together (said in your best A-Team voice)

Brigh :D
Title: WoW
Post by: Darkly on November 15, 2006, 04:41:06 pm
Heh...

"If I take it up and she doesn't then she will understand the need to play to improve your game."

I think that they should put this in the next version of the Oxford English Dictionary as the new definition of optimism ;)

But yeah, golf is terribly addictive. I played for a bit in New Zealand (strangely enough) and can see how people get hooked. Bloody hard to play well though! Or I should say, consistently well (or indeed consistently average ;) )

What's this cool pvp patch then? And how are you finding it back in-game, Las?
Title: WoW
Post by: Brigh on November 15, 2006, 04:46:30 pm
I'm sure someone like Cern, Eko or Las will provide more information but in very brief detail they are getting rid of the PVP ranks as we know it.

There will be no more ranks and gaining rep with the diffention factions to get equipment. When you PVP you will get honour points and marks still but you use these to buy equipment, so if you wanted to do you could just save up playing in the BG's and just buy The Unstoppable Force without worring about your rep. This will suit the casual gamer as there will be no lose of rank if you don't play for a few weeks.

Brigh :D

Told you it wa brief!
Title: WoW
Post by: Lasiien on November 15, 2006, 05:06:06 pm
Ye, Brigh sums it up well - it's mostly good for the casual gamer and all the people been playing hardcore 24/7 are not so happy ;) You can read plenty on the wow forums about it all, prolly too much to go into.

Having fun being back but sorta strange as I'm not really playing my main. Because he's so low in pvp rank and reputation its not really worth doing anything other than for fun as the patch is coming (which will wipe that progress - and I'm not close enough to getting anything really). And in terms of items las already has a pretty decent set of items anyway - so mostly just running around on my rogue alt (level 37) at the moment :)

Once you are all in game though am happy to help out on dungeon runs etc though to improve your items a bit and get a headstart on TBC come Jan. And once we get the pvp patch then I am keen to do some pvp :) In general i think this patch and expansion is going to be pretty cool for more casual style play (which after all is probably Blizzards most common customer).
Title: WoW
Post by: Saxif on November 15, 2006, 05:35:54 pm
Have heard about this patch from Carcophan and Greggor, it makes it alot more like DAoC which is good.  They are also saying there will be world PvP targets in the Undead zones hmmm Plague Lands, all those empty towers will become targets between Alliance and Horde.

I'll prolly play my Warrior a bit when I come back, and start playing my Warlock to improve items as and when and maybe finish collecting for my epic mount, spells, enchants e.t.c ... god so much to do :)

Sax.
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Post by: Cernos on November 15, 2006, 08:19:12 pm
Yeah should be more DAOC-like in that you'll accrue honour points which won't decay and which you then spend on the gear you want. Much better for the casual gamer, partly because the lack of decay means you can go at your own pace. And partly because you won't have to play a specific BG to get a specific reward (e.g. I love playing AB games, don't mind AV but rarely enjoy WSG so now I'll be able to get the WSG rewards via other means).
 
Still not convinced the world PvP stuff is going to be up to much, though anything is better than nothing. But Blizz still don't really get it on that front. Have a bit more hope for the new zones in the expansion in that regard.
 
Once we're all back, look forward to doing some 'old school' runs as a team.
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Post by: Darkly on November 16, 2006, 09:25:14 am
Cool, sounds like a good patch....
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Post by: Brigh on November 16, 2006, 01:20:16 pm
Quote from: Darkly
Cool, sounds like a good patch....


Yeah I think it will improve the end-game - going to piss off a few people but I welcome the change (although grinding like mad myself to get rank 7 for some new boots!)

Brigh :D
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Post by: Saxif on November 16, 2006, 02:36:02 pm
They should never have made the PvP system the way it is currently, it was a big mistake and its taken them 2 yrs to rectify it.  I was reading in PC gamer an article on those who achieve High Warlord, they go to the length sof quiting jobs, dumping friends and girlfriends and playing for literally 15 - 18 hours a day, living of pizza's and crap and just grinding away.  PvP shouldn't be about grinding imo, there should be another type of reward for it with a honour system/RP system or similar added to spice things up.

But thats a tired arguement tbh.

Sax.
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Post by: Lasiien on November 16, 2006, 03:30:26 pm
aye it is, though personally I'm glad they seem to be waking up to the fact that you can never please the hardcore no-lifers.

I remember in daoc i thought how unachievable rr10 was, but there were people that went to 6months+ 12 hours-a-day rvr to do it. I also remember how ludicrous i thought the (original now changed) SWG grind to become a jedi was (you had to grind through almost every class on one character to recognise your 'secret' combination, and then you were only a jedi apprentice with another huge grind ahead of you) but some took a year playing 12-hours-a-day to do it :)

Essentially i don't think you can ever please those people. They will always achieve massive grinds to get the best stuff, and then complain about lack of content (especially if more casual players start to catch up and their equipment is no longer so special). However, they are a minority of players, which is the true absurdity if you ask me :) (and don't even get me started on the issue that they pay the same money as i do!)

What i most hated about wow pvp though was that you basically reached a limit you could never go past (essentially based on the time you had available to play). Getting a shot at getting nice kit over a longer period is more than welcome if you ask me. Though a note of caution, I believe the ranking system still kinda exists with the arenas, that seem to have their own specific rewards? I dont really fully understand it all yet
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Post by: Cernos on November 16, 2006, 03:57:50 pm
Quote from: Saxif
I was reading in PC gamer an article on those who achieve High Warlord, they go to the length sof quiting jobs, dumping friends and girlfriends and playing for literally 15 - 18 hours a day, living of pizza's and crap and just grinding away.

It's like something straight out of the South Park WoW episode really. What made that so funny was there was more than an element of truth to it.
 
Blizz should be ashamed really that they put in place a system which forces people to grind like that and puts them in a position where they feel they need to give up jobs/friends/family committments to achieve something in a game.
 
They should have known this would happen, addiction is a big problem with all MMORPGs so why make things worse with ladder grinds etc. Even without the PvP grind WoW is plenty addictive enough Blizz would never need to worry about subscriber numbers, so I never understood why put such a hardcore system in place.
 
Anyway, they've finally done something about it at least, so a victory for common sense. A ladder will persist in the Arena for the addicts, but at least there's a more casual system there for everyone else now.
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Post by: Saxif on November 16, 2006, 04:37:16 pm
I am a little lazy, could someone basically give me the heads up on this arena thing?

I assume its based on the % of fights you win over time, and maybe by how much higher ranked or lower ranked your opponents are?

Sax.
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Post by: Lasiien on November 16, 2006, 05:29:13 pm
I dunno the exact formula but yep, basically if you fight a team much higher up the ladder than you and win then you get a huge boost etc.

Check out this post (http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=82099907&sid=1) from the wow boards for more info
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Post by: Lasiien on November 17, 2006, 09:30:26 am
Some token prices on the beta thottbot here (http://www.thottbot.com/beta?n=2721#Sells)  for the (current) uber pvp weapons. Note they will cost honour as well (about 12,000 honour is most of the reports i've read plus the tokens) so I guess you can save up tokens  but will still need to get the honour once the patch is live.

Click on one of the tokens (AV or AB etc) to see what else can be bought for them
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Post by: Brigh on November 17, 2006, 09:54:30 am
I hope stuff is that cheap - you could get 20 AB tokens and 12000+ easy in an evening (I know as I did it last night)!

Did I see Carc and Xan online last night? If you were then sorry for not saying Hello but all my kill spam in AB must have got in the way of you logging on/off !

Brigh :D
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Post by: Lasiien on November 17, 2006, 10:07:30 am
well yeah but keep in mind the way they calculate honour is changing right ? So I wouldn't assume that 12000 honour is as easy as it is now.

Carc and Xan were on ye, they were mostly laughing at saxif and prolly trying to convince him to go roll a gnome or something ;)
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Post by: Brigh on November 17, 2006, 10:42:07 am
Yeah I read on the legion boards that you get about 20-30 honour per solo kill - so you would need to do a lot of PVP to get the high warlord stuff, hoping to save some time and get rank 7 this week.

Good to see Xan and Carc back - just need to get Rodox to leave PO and get Dark and Grim and we are sorted!

Brigh :D
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Post by: Saxif on November 17, 2006, 01:21:17 pm
pfft, they'd have been laughing at you just as much a week ago  :)

Sax.
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Post by: Lasiien on November 17, 2006, 02:34:13 pm
rubbish ! i r shadopreist pewpew ! ;)
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Post by: Brigh on November 23, 2006, 09:40:21 am
Hey Gang

Quick advice on the upcoming PVP patch - I'm currently 93% through rank 6 so I will get rank 7 on Wednesday but if they patch next week when I turn rank 7 will I still be able to buy the PVP gloves and boots or will I have to save up and purchase them with honour tokens although I'm rank 7?

Brigh :D
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Post by: Lasiien on November 23, 2006, 10:25:38 am
they say the week before they patch honour will not count, so you wouldnt make rank 7 im afraid, and no i dont think you will be able to buy anything after the patch based on old rankings.

However, having said that i really dont think they will patch next week. Everybody's guessing at the moment and I've heard people guess next week, and some say it wont be till 1st week in Jan :) Blizzard are saying nothing.

If you want my guess it is the 1st or 2nd week in Dec, enough time to iron out bugs and problems before everyone at Blizzard goes off for christmas :)
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Post by: Brigh on November 23, 2006, 10:41:48 am
I hope so - I only need 1 week to rank 7 (well only take 1 day to get the amount of honour I need but better safe than sorry)

For once I hope Blizzard take their time with a patch :D

Brigh :D
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Post by: Cernos on November 23, 2006, 03:18:35 pm
I don't think they'll patch next week. The current rumour mill says mid December, but it's anyones guess. But I think it is fair to say they will definitely announce it a week in advance so that everyone knows that week's honour won't count (to patch without announcing this would cause a riot).
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Post by: Brigh on November 23, 2006, 04:35:12 pm
Quote from: Cernos
I don't think they'll patch next week. The current rumour mill says mid December, but it's anyones guess. But I think it is fair to say they will definitely announce it a week in advance so that everyone knows that week's honour won't count (to patch without announcing this would cause a riot).


tempted to PVP like mad this week and see if I could push to rank 8 if its mid Dec :D

Brigh :D
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Post by: Saxif on November 23, 2006, 05:18:33 pm
Another good reason to do some grp PvP, you don't have a BG you NEED to be in do ya for Rep or something?


Sax.
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Post by: Brigh on November 23, 2006, 09:33:18 pm
maybe if I can get honoured with AB and get the plate belt, that would be cool but not that bothered about which BG we do.
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Post by: Lasiien on November 29, 2006, 09:56:22 am
looks like patch will be next week - US forum says they are patching next tuesday
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Post by: Lasiien on November 29, 2006, 10:43:24 am
announcement on europe forum now also, for next wed - here (http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=88829997&sid=1)

'We will run one final honour and ranking calculation on December 6th and update everyone?s ranking accordingly on that date so that players that achieve a new rank for that week have the opportunity to display that title on their character'

If i interpret that right Brigh i think it means you will get the honour for the next week but you wont be able to buy anything if you got a new rank ? :)
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Post by: Brigh on November 29, 2006, 12:23:55 pm
Quote from: Lasiien
announcement on europe forum now also, for next wed - here (http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=88829997&sid=1)

'We will run one final honour and ranking calculation on December 6th and update everyone?s ranking accordingly on that date so that players that achieve a new rank for that week have the opportunity to display that title on their character'

If i interpret that right Brigh i think it means you will get the honour for the next week but you wont be able to buy anything if you got a new rank ? :)


cool :)

Brigh :D